Tuesday, October 19, 2010

Noah Gets Wasted (Warning Nudity)

Sunday night we wrapped up our discussion on Genesis 9 by looking at the events of Noah getting hammered and nude, Ham, Noah’s son, looking at his daddy naked, and Canaan, Ham’s son, getting cursed for whatever his papa had actually done. (Confession: There no actual nudity)

Here are just a few things we discussed as a group and few online responses as well.

- The text says that Noah lived 350 years after the flood and yet this is the only “post flood” info we have about him.

- Some think the story only illustrates that even though Noah was righteous and the “savior” figure of the story, he was still human and flawed.

- Some commentaries suggest that the change in the ecosystem after the flood explains why the Welch’s Noah obviously intended to make became fermented, as if Noah didn’t intend to make real wine. I disagree; people drank fermented wine… even Jesus. (insert “gasp” here)

-They even go so far as to say that Noah accidently became drunk on grape juice he didn’t realize was fermented and then became hot and this is why he took his clothes off. (it was all innocent) Also bogus. We all know that drunkenness and nudity often go hand in hand.

- I think we should give the guy a break... He just came off of a very stressful boat ride.

- And then there is Ham walking in on Noah while naked (Noah naked not Ham). It’s a mystery as to what Ham did to Noah, but the language does suggest something was done.

v24. When Noah awoke from his wine and found out what his youngest son had done to him…

- Some suggest he lusted after his dad, and some even suspect sodomy. Then there is the whole cultural thing about it being shameful to look at some one else’s nakedness. (This would make some sense of Jesus advising to people to “give your shirt also” when you are sued for you cloak.)

- There is also a theory that ham slept with Noah’s wife… AKA his own mom. “Uncovered his father’s nakedness” in other passages refers to sexual relations with the father wife.

- Whatever Ham did, Canaan, his son, was cursed instead of him. Some think this would have been a harsher punishment.

In the end, many of us came to the conclusion that the point to the story is that there is no point of the story. Rather than a creative way of showing the origin of a few nations it seems the story is rather pointless. So what can we take away from the text? Well I don’t know. Maybe that’s the point. Who knows?

1 comment:

JustinGaynor said...

LOL...I think GK Chesterton had a good handle on it...

Old Noah he had an ostrich farm and fowls on the largest scale,
He ate his egg with a ladle in a egg-cup big as a pail.
And the soup he took was Elephant Soup and the fish he took was Whale.
But they all were small to the cellar he took when he set out to sail,
And Noah he often said to his wife when he sat down to dine,
‘I don’t care where the water goes if it doesn’t get into the wine.’

The cataract of the cliff of heaven fell blinding off the brink
As if it would wash the stars away as suds go down a sink,
The seven heavens came roaring down for the throats of hell to drink,
And Noah he cocked his eye and said, ‘It looks like rain, I think.
The water has drowned the Matterhorn as deep as a Mendip mine,
But I don’t care where the water goes if it doesn’t get into the wine.’

But Noah he sinned, and we have sinned; on tipsy feet we trod.
Till a great big black teetotaller was sent to us for a rod,
And you can’t get wine at a P.S.A., or chapel, or Eisteddfod,
For the Curse of Water has come again because of the wrath of God,
And water is on the Bishop’s board and the Higher Thinker’s shrine,
But I don’t care where the water goes if it doesn’t get into the wine.