Sunday night we wrapped up our discussion on Genesis 9 by looking at the events of Noah getting hammered and nude, Ham, Noah’s son, looking at his daddy naked, and Canaan, Ham’s son, getting cursed for whatever his papa had actually done. (Confession: There no actual nudity)
Here are just a few things we discussed as a group and few online responses as well.
- The text says that Noah lived 350 years after the flood and yet this is the only “post flood” info we have about him.
- Some think the story only illustrates that even though Noah was righteous and the “savior” figure of the story, he was still human and flawed.
- Some commentaries suggest that the change in the ecosystem after the flood explains why the Welch’s Noah obviously intended to make became fermented, as if Noah didn’t intend to make real wine. I disagree; people drank fermented wine… even Jesus. (insert “gasp” here)
-They even go so far as to say that Noah accidently became drunk on grape juice he didn’t realize was fermented and then became hot and this is why he took his clothes off. (it was all innocent) Also bogus. We all know that drunkenness and nudity often go hand in hand.
- I think we should give the guy a break... He just came off of a very stressful boat ride.
- And then there is Ham walking in on Noah while naked (Noah naked not Ham). It’s a mystery as to what Ham did to Noah, but the language does suggest something was done.
v24. When Noah awoke from his wine and found out what his youngest son had done to him…
- Some suggest he lusted after his dad, and some even suspect sodomy. Then there is the whole cultural thing about it being shameful to look at some one else’s nakedness. (This would make some sense of Jesus advising to people to “give your shirt also” when you are sued for you cloak.)
- There is also a theory that ham slept with Noah’s wife… AKA his own mom. “Uncovered his father’s nakedness” in other passages refers to sexual relations with the father wife.
- Whatever Ham did, Canaan, his son, was cursed instead of him. Some think this would have been a harsher punishment.
In the end, many of us came to the conclusion that the point to the story is that there is no point of the story. Rather than a creative way of showing the origin of a few nations it seems the story is rather pointless. So what can we take away from the text? Well I don’t know. Maybe that’s the point. Who knows?